Brexit

[fiksal]

Is it possible Brexit has been orchestrated in order to protect Britain from the possible impending migrant crisis due to climate change

That depends on which way the climate change swings. In the event that a Gulf Stream is disrupted on the way to Europe, it's possible there'll be an age of unpleasant winters there, and loss of farming.

[pjknibbs]

In order for this to be a conspiracy then the government would have had to have rigged the results of the referendum--and that then runs into the usual conspiracy theory problem, you're expecting literally thousands of people, many of them minimum wage government workers, to keep quiet about it.

[Alan Phipps]

"The British government is old, experienced and think longterm." We in the UK would dearly like to think that, but in practice the thinking there is often more centred on re-election matters and maintaining the status quo.

I suspect that the Brexit referendum result was quite unexpected by those who called it in the first place; that referendum was more intended to make the whole topic go away for a while (much as with Scottish Independence). My evidence would be the total lack of any planning for or thinking through a leave result. That's my (more credible) conspiracy theory anyway.

[OneOfMany]

Brexit was just a skirmish, the real war starts now as the Brits fight for their borders both on land and sea. Once they ditch the common fisheries policy and ban all trawlers from other countries from poaching fish stocks, the Brits can sell their fish at better prices and restart their once great fishing industries. Yeah right, you're more likely to see foreign fishing fleets escorted by naval vessels to ensure they can still plunder the British coast.

As for the mass migration of people, I've never understood why someone who is fleeing persecution from the Sudan, can cross 11 contries of which 5 of them are Christian based, to then try and hide in the back of a lorry in France to get to Britain before asking for asylum?

I would like to think that the Brits can take back control and do all they can to discourage the mass imigration they now face. However as their main border is controlled by the French at that end of the tunnel, I fear an open door policy will be enacted now that they have left the eu.

[fiksal]

can cross 11 contries of which 5 of them are Christian based

All the more reasons to skip them!

[Chips]

I would like to think that the Brits can take back control and do all they can to discourage the mass imigration they now face. However as their main border is controlled by the French at that end of the tunnel, I fear an open door policy will be enacted now that they have left the eu.

A few questions:

1) How long is that border at the tunnel?
2) How many migrants come through said tunnel? (no seriously, please provide some actual data).
3) How many migrants is the UK forced by EU legislation to admit per year.
4) How many migrants are admitted from outside the EU (ones we can say "No thank you" to if we wish? Also, why don't we?) and if migration is a problem, why don't we stop them?
5) Just how many illegal migrants do we get? And how do they enter the country (as in, do they arrive illegally in the first place or arrive legally and then abscond). Also, what mode of transportation?

Some links to help you:

Figures for EU vs Non EU migration (as in what we can't vs can control).
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... bruary2019

Net migration (because we need to know how many leave as well as arrive, to get a real figure for what we could control vs couldn't).
https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/statis ... statistics

Migrant Crisis with numbers per country taken in for the EU and their origin for the "Migrant crisis"... the UK is absolutely SWAMPED. A wonder we even manage to survive.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_migrant_crisis

https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/key-to ... mmigration
Contains some information about numbers and difficulties with regards to illegal immigration.


But bottom line - in what way does leaving the EU suddenly mean we can stop illegal immigrants into the UK? It's not just a question from myself, I'm pretty sure the Government would be interested to know because... the problem has always been that the EU stops us from "manning the border".Additionally, how the 60k net EU migration is suddenly going to save us when we freely admit the net 220k migration from the rest of the world. Per year. By choice.

Honestly...

[pjknibbs]

Have to say, I'm a little puzzled about the tunnel thing myself. It's a train tunnel--nobody is going to actually walk through all 20+ miles of the thing to reach the UK without getting spotted, and hiding directly aboard the trains is impractical, so the only way anyone gets in through that route is, IMHO, by hiding in a lorry. And we've already seen from those corpses being found in the lorry a few weeks ago that you don't actually need to come through the tunnel to take that route.

[Bishop149]

Oooo lets play a game! Who here is considered valuable enough to be allowed into the U.K.
I qualify, but about half my point come from having a PhD.

[Alan Phipps]

Hmm. If that system were also applied to current British residents being allowed to stay here, then how many would be legally left afterwards?

[pjknibbs]

Not me--I get 60. (I did train as an electrical engineer, which is one of the shortage jobs apparently, but I haven't actually done anything relating to that in 25 years).

[felter]

Have to say, I'm a little puzzled about the tunnel thing myself. It's a train tunnel--nobody is going to actually walk through all 20+ miles of the thing to reach the UK without getting spotted, and hiding directly aboard the trains is impractical,

How do you know no one has not managed to walk through the tunnel without being spotted. Admittedly there have been more than a few that have been spotted, meaning people have tried it. There is actually no way of knowing if anyone has managed to get through without being spotted, as you have to spot them to know they are there and made the attempt. If one manages to get through without being spotted, then no one will even know that they were ever there as they would never have been spotted. We can only surmise that no one has made it through without being spotted due to the fact that others have been spotted but that doesn't mean that they haven't been able to do it without being spotted.

[red assassin]

I get 90 by the looks of it. Yay for working in tech?

[Vertigo 7]

Have to say, I'm a little puzzled about the tunnel thing myself. It's a train tunnel--nobody is going to actually walk through all 20+ miles of the thing to reach the UK without getting spotted, and hiding directly aboard the trains is impractical,

How do you know no one has not managed to walk through the tunnel without being spotted. Admittedly there have been more than a few that have been spotted, meaning people have tried it. There is actually no way of knowing if anyone has managed to get through without being spotted, as you have to spot them to know they are there and made the attempt. If one manages to get through without being spotted, then no one will even know that they were ever there as they would never have been spotted. We can only surmise that no one has made it through without being spotted due to the fact that others have been spotted but that doesn't mean that they haven't been able to do it without being spotted.

I'm not familiar with this tunnel off hand but, I would have to imagine, in the current day in age of terrorist threats that there are cameras monitoring it 24/7, ya?

[RegisterMe]

Well, there have actually been a few instances of people getting through, but it's not a common occurrence and I don't think it's happened for some time.

[Alan Phipps]

I really don't see what Channel Tunnel security has to do with the Brexit debate. Pretty much the same level of British national security precautions and measures against threat and unsanctioned or illegal entry would have to continue whether the UK is in or out of the EU. Think of airport level security for unscheduled access/departure for the Tunnel and you probably won't be too far off.

[felter]

I got to say this, while it is good that they have managed to get a trade deal with the EU, what the UK Government has been saying is total lies and BS.

Take a few weeks back, Johnson was adament that the the UK would do perfectly fine without a deal, that everything would be OKAY, to now saying, we have a deal and that means safety and security for the UK. So what one was it, I mean with what they are saying now, does that mean we were not safe and secure without the deal.

Then you also have now saying that both sides got exactly what they wanted, if that's the case, what have they been arguing about for the past year, what has all of Johnson's statements about there is a massive divided between the two parties over the deal that it looks like no deal will come pass. If they got exactly what they wanted, then what have they been doing and why was he trying to terrorise the UK population over the no deal. Either he has been telling lots lies to all of us or he is telling lots lies to all of us, you cannot have it both ways and be telling the truth.

[exogenesis]

It's called being a 'popularist' politician.

“You can lie to some of the people all of the time,
you can lie to all of the people some of the time,
but you can’t lie to all of the people all of the time”

(Oh, wait....)

[Stars_InTheirEyes]

Its like we had a successful store in a shopping mall then someone said "well we pay so much for rent! we should move to the bottom of town where the rent is cheaper", then we realised how bad for business being out of shopping mall will be and haggled over a deal to put a small kiosk back in the mall and laud it as a great victory.

[Chips]

I got to say this, while it is good that they have managed to get a trade deal with the EU, what the UK Government has been saying is total lies and BS.

Take a few weeks back, Johnson was adament that the the UK would do perfectly fine without a deal, that everything would be OKAY, to now saying, we have a deal and that means safety and security for the UK. So what one was it, I mean with what they are saying now, does that mean we were not safe and secure without the deal.

Then you also have now saying that both sides got exactly what they wanted, if that's the case, what have they been arguing about for the past year, what has all of Johnson's statements about there is a massive divided between the two parties over the deal that it looks like no deal will come pass. If they got exactly what they wanted, then what have they been doing and why was he trying to terrorise the UK population over the no deal. Either he has been telling lots lies to all of us or he is telling lots lies to all of us, you cannot have it both ways and be telling the truth.

Never realised you were new to Politics/Politicians/Negotiations!

[felter]

It's not the political side of it that bothers me, especially seeing as Johnson tells so many lies that if you ever see his lips move, you have to accept he is telling a lie. No, my problem is with the fact that no one is holding him to account for his lies, the press are all yeah great and just what we need, while even his political rivals aren't holding them accountable and that's what pisses me off.